Posts by Aussie Oz

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Cleaning out - found old literature

by kurtbethel in

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i have been going through much of my belongings and getting rid of things so i can be free of them.

one of my boxes of books had these items grouped together, as i view them being much alike in topic.. .

yes, it is all spooky mumbo jumbo and belongs all together in one place.

Aussie Oz

LOL! i remember that watchtower cover!

When i look at it now i think what a corny attempt to make him look wild and worldly! WTF. stubble and windblown hair!

Oz

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Introducing myself

by Aeiouy in

and a third continuation........meh.

however, breaking up with her had a very good affect on me.

an unexpected one.

welcome to this marvelous place. i didcovered it myself only a few weeks ago. I thought i would find a ton of hate and slander, what i found was mostly a justified loathing and cold hard facts, much from the watchtowers own printing press.

I was DF 10 years ago and at the time my mother was (and still is) the only JW left in the family. As she lives several thousand kilometers away, contact had always been sporadic anyway.

about 5 years ago i went to my Disaccociated sisters wedding. All the family was there including my older DF brother and faded younger siblings. So was mum.

My mother treated us all the same, no judgement, no shunning. at one time i gave her a hug and apologized for the pain she no doubt felt and the awkwardness of it all, for i respect greatly my mother for sticking with her faith even though i see it as wrong. Anyway, her reply was simply, i justwant my children to be happy.

Even today, i can visit and stay at her home. I have not written this to tell my story, but perhaps it may help to show that not all mothers will shun their children. I don't know how she squares this up with her faith, perhaps deep down she knows it's wrong too. But, to me, my mother is the only sane witness i know. And i love her as unconditionaly as she does me.

Oz

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LUKE 6 : 35 and SHUNNING

by iknowall558 in

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luke 6 : 35 -- " but love your emenies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back.

then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the most high, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

be merciful, just as your heavenly father is merciful.2.

Aussie Oz

they link the individual scripture or part thereof to suit the point they want to make. Scriptures to the contrary are siad to be true also but not having application to the particular argument.

l couldn't see that they twisted scripture when i was in.

oz

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Planted a seed today... Update on de-program of my 16 year old son

by Aussie Oz in

well, some of you know that i have a 16 year old son who lives with his jw mother.

she has already mastered the art of guilt control on him.

i am most anxious that he not get baptized at all or at least unless he has really understood the whole truth, not just the watchtower truth.

Aussie Oz

JAFO

everything i have collected is in that file! Gotta be careful if he tells his mum of all this stuff the shit'll he the fan. But, then, i dont think he's told her that he found naked ladies on daddy's computer! so maybe he wont!

Cheers

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Planted a seed today... Update on de-program of my 16 year old son

by Aussie Oz in

well, some of you know that i have a 16 year old son who lives with his jw mother.

she has already mastered the art of guilt control on him.

i am most anxious that he not get baptized at all or at least unless he has really understood the whole truth, not just the watchtower truth.

Aussie Oz

I think that he needs to meet you periodically.

Then, he will be certainly influenced by your view

He does see me 1 day each 2 weeks. Not enough and trying to get more.

cheers

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Planted a seed today... Update on de-program of my 16 year old son

by Aussie Oz in

well, some of you know that i have a 16 year old son who lives with his jw mother.

she has already mastered the art of guilt control on him.

i am most anxious that he not get baptized at all or at least unless he has really understood the whole truth, not just the watchtower truth.

Aussie Oz

Well, some of you know that i have a 16 year old son who lives with his JW mother. She has already mastered the art of guilt control on him. I am most anxious that he not get baptized at all or at least unless he has really understood the whole truth, not just the watchtower truth. I have taken a lot of your comments on board in how to handle this.

i will use this post to keep any that are interested on any happenings with this issue.

Had a bit of a chat today about the internet (which i know he likes to use at my place). in his use of the net today i found one site he visited was one i had visited to get a pdf of a society publication. he would have only found that link by looking thru a file in my folders called 'jw' (not sure how i feel about him knowing i am doing research etc)

It began with me asking if they still had no internet at home, how did his step dad buy stuff online without it?(Library) And it led to yeah, i know the witnesses dont really like the net much do they? led it to talking about China, and how a lot of the net is off limits to the people by government control. I asked him why he thought the chinese govt would want to stop its people accessing the whole internet... his answer was maybe they didn't want the people to read bad stuff about them?

Led to mentioning the scientologists who also control internet usage among its followers, and now why on earth would a religion want to do that? Surely if a government or religion had nothing to hide, they wouldn't try to stop or limit the use of the internet? he agreed with this too.

I know of course that there are a lot of places on the internet that one would not want a kid to go too, but at least i had him thinking about restrictions as not only protection but also as a negitive information control measure.

small seed planted. This is a smart kid and i must get him to think for himself before it is too late.

Oz

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UN scandal

by inbetween in

lately i did a lot of reading regarding the un scandal, the org being a ngo for 10 years.

i tried to read both sides, the comments on jwfacts.com, as well as the defense at jehovahsjudgment.co.uk.. and then the endless discussion on topix.com between thirdwitness and alanf and others.. while i am sure, the way the org handled the whole situation, especially after the article in the guardian, was plain wrong, instead of openly confessing a mistake, it was done secretely and only after inquiry, and made it look like a cover-up.. .

however, considering the whole issue, i think it comes down to one question:.

Aussie Oz

I too have read everything i could from both sides. I dont give a crap what defense the society has for the situation,

THEY SHOULD NOT EVEN HAVE BEEN WILLING TO SET FOOT ON THE CURB OF THAT BUILDING.

Hypocrictical, double standard, forked tongue organization is all i see. i am sorry there is no hell for them to burn in.

Oz

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"Put Jehovah First...." what does this mean? Anyone?

by HappyGuy in

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i was baptized at the age of 15, my father was very opposed.

i loved god and wanted to be a spiritual person.

so, anything in the literature which told one how to be a spiritual person was of great interest to me.. i remember hearing and reading this phrase over and over and over again "put jehovah first".. don't get an education - "put jehovah first".. don't take that emt certification course that meets on tue and thursday for 6 weeks - "put jehovah first".. don't get a real career, be a janitor and "put jehovah first".. don't spend time with your "worldly" parents on the weekends, instead abandon them and fill your time up with field service and meetings and "put jehovah first".. .

Aussie Oz

Anything that the organization, the society, wants you to do.

It means put your self last. Anything you want to do for yourself is against 'Jehovah's will.

It is JW speak that is designed to control not only your actions but also your mind.

It is shameful that they baptize kids, god, who at 15 knows anything about who they are and what they want. And they will trap you for life at 15 or younger. should be illegal.

Oz

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'Keep yoursekves in gods love' book needed in pdf

by Aussie Oz in

i found a link on another forum from 12 months ago with it on sendspace, but it is expired.

i think "atlantis' may have put it up?.

anyway, need to find out what my kids have to look forward too.... cheers.

Aussie Oz

Thankyou blacksheep!

I want to get him out before he gets dunked!

the biggest piece of advice i am getting is :slow and carefull!

thanks

Oz

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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light

by vivalavida in

on march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.

of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.

i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.

Aussie Oz

I am very interested in your situation.

My son is just 16 and is no doubt having the whole baptism thing getting pushed by his mother. As her and i are in legal mediation about the kids time with me, he understands that court may even be on the way. Perhaps this a good time to very carefully use that example of 2 sides of the story as well as i do beleive i have a duty to make sure he understands what he will face soon and the repurcussion that your son is finding.

its really quite scary. I have had to work so hard to build a relationsgio with my son, and to think that some religion will turn it to nothing. So wrong.

i will be back to re-read this when i have more time. Its probably the single most important subject on my mind.

Oz